United 93 Interview
The question is, does it make it easier for us if we think that their not human? Because I think it does and I think that we need to confront the fact that this danger remains. There are a lot of young men who flock to that banner. Who are hijacking Islam and perverting it. And the one thing that we can know about this day without a shadow of a doubt is that there was nothing exceptional about those young men either. Nobody noticed them. Nobody sitting next to them said, â€˜youâ€™re not human.â€™ They looked like us.
This is one of the September 11 stories. United 93, the extraordinary 90 minute reenactment depicts a grizzly story that gives new meaning to the phrase â€˜by any means necessaryâ€™. Paul Greengrass reveals nothing but tells everything. His storytelling style in United 93 is through the eyes of the traveler. No script. Just based on printed documents and family interviews, this soft-spoken filmmaker discusses the strategy and motivation behind the making of United 93.
BSN: Are there any concerns being the first major studio development about this eventful day?
PG: The stakes were high. Itâ€™s an important subject. It affects many peopleâ€™s lives. There's a responsibility to be mature and not cause offense but to tell the truth as you see it. I think todayâ€¦and we made some decisions on what kind of a film would stand the best chance for fulfilling that criteria. This was a small film. It wasnâ€™t a big blockbuster filled with movie stars. You have to look at the stakes before you start and you have to be clear about what you want to do, what you want to say.
BSN: What did you want to say?
PG: Well, that it seems to me that in my country and in yours, weâ€™re not agreeing about whatâ€™s happened since 9/11. But I wanted to reach back to the common ground, and the common ground is whatever it is that happenedâ€¦it began that morning. I think we all agree on that and so letâ€™s go back and look at that, letâ€™s try and examine, in detail, and see what it can tell us about what happened and where weâ€™ve come from. And I think, I hope, that it does that. There will be many other films to be made about this subject, believe me but I thought that that was a responsible and a reasonable place to start.
BSN: How did you gather the information? Based on the recent cock pit flight recordings release, do you ever think of going back and changing it to reflect that data?
PG: When I made this film, bare in mind, I spent a good deal of my career making films about these kinds of subjects. A lot in Northern Ireland, but not just Northern Ireland, but in the Middle East and elsewhere. Not everything Iâ€™ve ever made has been on the subject of terrorism, but Iâ€™ve returned to it numerous times and I suppose over the years that there is a place for films that tell you what happened.
Now, you have to gather your material as comprehensively, as reasonably as you can within a period of time that youâ€™ve got to make the film. You need, from my view, to gather together people who can help you. Who are willing to recreate that from a position of expertise. You canâ€™t just do it with actors, although actors are important.
You need to get the cross fertilization between actor and professional people, so that you gather together in a place for a couple of months, and together you say letâ€™s try to explore a believable truth based on what we can know. You gather together a group of actors, the families, real pilots, real stewardesses, real military, from that day real air traffic controllers, various people; and you have a conversation. You donâ€™t all agree with each other on the contrary, you try and synthesize this thing.
I mean, would you really have picked up a trolley and run it from the back of the plane, the mythology I believe, the flight 93, that the passengers ran the trolley from the back of the plane. Well, when you sit in a real airplane and youâ€™re with real stewardesses, they will tell you that that could not have happened.
Could not have happened because they have a hard enough time walking the trolley up and down the isle; secondly and youâ€™re sitting there, 40 feet or less from a person with a bombâ€¦would you really advance on a person from behind a trolley? Or would you choose your biggest fastest person and run because speed would be of the essence. You might â€¦forgive thoughts of judgment, an attempt to time create something that feels truthful.
BSN: Is it more of a dramatic recreation of what you thought happened?
PG: No. You take all the available facts as you can know them at that moment in time and you synthesize those first and then you work those out in conjunction with the expertise that as a group you have and you come up with something that is a believable truth. You start with the 9/11 commissions and all the declassifications of the 9/11 commissions including a 120 page document about flight 93. You start with a whole mass of information which you make sense of in a written document before you ever begin and thatâ€™s what you work with.
BSN: Since this film is predominately 99% done, would you consider taking a look at the 10 pages of transcript recently released from the cock pit flight recorder and tweaking something?
PG: I looked at them and I thought and we subsequently got some tapes from N.E.A.D.S, the military recordings and it was veryâ€¦we were pretty close, you know? We were pretty close.
BSN: One of the striking things about the film is thereâ€™s really no identification to the American passengers. You go into the movie not knowing who Todd Beamer is and you may not know when you leave. But what is interesting is the identities of the hijackers are very well developed and you get to sort of know who they are, just at least by the expressions on their face. Thatâ€™s a pretty bold move as a director, Iâ€™m curious to hear why you chose to go that route?
PG: Why not identify people per se? For the very simple reason in that, if you were writing the film that I didnâ€™t want to write or direct, which would be the sort of film that was a writers construct of today, it would have seemed that you and I would sit down next to each other, a 13 billion deal or whatever, and weâ€™d have one of those scenes that goesâ€¦And youâ€™d have to look for a thousand ways to create back story. It can be done very well or not very well.
Thatâ€™s not my point. My point is this, that in reality, when all of us get on an airplane, we have little conversation. We might have a bit but more often than not we travel alone. The people who got on that airplane that morning were unexceptional. They were like you or I or anybody. They were just getting on a routine flight and what interested me was the way, when faced with this unimaginable event, collectively they moved from a position of being held in abject terror from the back of the airplane to within about 20 minutes basically fermenting an insurrection and that to me wasnâ€™t about the individual characters. You know enough to get a visual sense of the characters, the stewardess in the front and in the back, enough I think to recognize those distinctions.
But to me itâ€™s always about creating the interaction between the hijackers and the hijacked because thatâ€™s our world today. My wholeâ€¦the thing that interested me most about making this film was the quirk of fate, that quirk of fate being that United 93 was on the ground for 40 minutes just in routine ground air traffic control difficulties on that day. What that meant was, that by the time that airplane was hijacked it was just before 9:30. 9/11 was substantially over; it had been half an hour since the towers had been struck.
77 was a minute or two away from striking the Pentagon. What that meant was that those passengers on United 93 were the first people, I think, to inhabit our world, which was the post 9/11 world. The world dominated by what are we going to do? How we can, as a society, not necessarily, avoid that. Not want to look at that. Not want to confront those hard choices. Not want to deal with the fact that itâ€™s difficult to find an answer, cause it is, but those passengers did not have our luxury. They couldnâ€™t avoid it. That was their choice.
Stark, clear; they knew exactly what they were dealing with. And they came to believe they knew what the stakes were and in that interaction between them as a group and those hijackers is our world today. And thatâ€™s what this film is about. And I think whatever you think about what has happened in our world since 9/11, I hope you can look at this film and see some common ground.
BSN: What about the characters of the hijackers? They really stick in your mind.
PG: Well, I wanted them to be real. I wanted them to be a very, very difficult thing to achieve. Bare in mind I just finished this film Friday morning. So I havenâ€™t actually seen it. What I was trying to do was something encouraging. I think those four young actors did an extraordinary job. To do something very difficult. To be both small and inconspicuous and unformidable in every way but also dangerous, lethal and terrifying; two totally contradictory things.
And also to show us something very, very important I think about 9/11 â€¦ ... I certainly believe it will come through to audiences, in other parts of the world. That there were two hijacks on that day. There was the hijack that we all know about, the hijack of innocent people, four airplanes, destined destruction on an unimaginable scale. All the things we know of.
But there was a second hijack which is the hijack of a religion; Islam, by a group of young, extremely zealous, piousâ€¦ideologically diluted young men, who when they got up to kill, as we know from the cock pit voice recorder, they did it in the name of their God. When I had looked at the cock pit voice transcripts because it was a call of ours, as a group, we thought that well, when they killed that woman, stewardess, what would they have done? They invoked their God. We thought they had done that, through evidence. People had said they did that. But you canâ€™t be sure when people look at that tape thatâ€™s exactly what they did do. And you see that clearly, that in that act, theyâ€™re hijacking us and they are also hijacking Islam. Thatâ€™s one of the terrifying things about that day and one of the things that stay with us.
BSN: How meaningful is it to you to be opening at the Tribeca Film Festival?
PG: Incredibly important. Honored because itâ€™s New York. Anxious because itâ€™s New York. Humbled because itâ€™s New York. I was literally a boy when I first came to this city. I was 18. I spent most of that year here. Without any exaggeration I became a man in this city. I remember walking streets.
BSN: The debate of â€˜too soonâ€™; what are your thoughts?
PG: In the too soon debate, you donâ€™t know until people see it. The families have seen it and the families have been incredibly supportive.
BSN: How important was it for the actors playing the American passengers to meet with the families? Did you encourage that?
PG: Before filming, it was up to the families. Did they want to be contacted or would they rather not. And most of them pretty much, I think, most of them wanted to be. I think most of the actors did one way or another. Subsequently, to that, I donâ€™t think any of them met at that point, but I think some of them had. It was an amazing couple of days when they watched that film.
BSN: No one knows what happened prior to boarding the plane. In the film, United 93, you show one of the terrorists making a phone call and saying â€˜I Love youâ€™; why did you decide to humanize them?
PG: I donâ€™t think that you can watch this film and not think that they wereâ€¦that the film judges them for their most appalling acts. The question is, does it make it easier for us if we think that their not human? Because I think it does and I think that we need to confront the fact that this danger remains.
There are a lot of young men who flock to that banner. Who are hijacking Islam and perverting it. And the one thing that we can know about this day without a shadow of a doubt is that there was nothing exceptional about those young men either. Nobody noticed them.
Nobody sitting next to them said, â€˜youâ€™re not human.â€™ They looked like us. They looked unexceptional and with respect to the particular scene of â€˜I Love you,â€™ well, number one, thatâ€™s what he did. And number two, I wanted the film to be framed to by two I Love yous. Burnett, Jr. sits down next to him and makes a phone call. Burnett, Jr. makes a hum drum business call, completely unaware of anything abnormal. And the man sitting next to him says â€˜I Love youâ€™ because heâ€™s about to go off and commit mass murder. An hour and 40 minutes later, Burnett, Jr. picks up the phone, calls his wife and says â€˜I Love you.â€™ I wanted it to be symmetry.
Copyright 2006 Tonisha Johnson
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